1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 We're speaking from the police station in Wannapy, New Jersey. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 This is January 15th, approximately 1.15 p.m. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:19,000 We're up here on an investigation of a number of U.F.O. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 citing reports during the past few days. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 The NICAP staff here is Gordon Lohrer, 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Lee Katchen, and Miss Kathy Brannon. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 We're speaking now with Mayor Wolf of Wannapy 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 and reporter Howard Bell, ball of what paper? 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Patterson News. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Now, Howard, do you want to proceed with what you started to say before? 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 I'll give you the background, basically. 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 I said newspaper editor. 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,000 I sit in a desk and on a night, I may handle 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 three and four telephone calls of sightings in the sky. 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 So I've gotten into the habit. 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 On my way to work, when I'm traveling in the dark, I scan the sky. 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 I've learned a little bit about the sky. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 So that when someone calls, I can answer a question. 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 I saw this and it was not what you think it was. 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,000 It was Jetliner 7-Star, which is out of Newark and fly across the sky at this time of night. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 On this particular evening was Tuesday. 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I was a little bit late for work, so I left my home around 6.15. 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 This was what evening? 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 This was Tuesday, like January, and it would be the 11th. 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 January 11th. 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I left my home and I traveled to the city of Patterson to work. 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 I traveled via the Hamburg Turnpike. 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,000 It was a fairly well-traveled road. 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 My home is Pomp and Lakes. 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:00,000 About five minutes on the road, I'd say a 20 minutes past six on that date, 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 the newsman on the radio was ballet-hooling the 6.30 news. 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I know it was before 6.30. 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I was at the near, I should say, near the junction of Colfax Road and Hamburg Turnpike. 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:25,000 At this point, Hamburg Turnpike lies in the southeast-ily direction. 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,000 I was, in other words, traveling southeast-ily. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:36,000 I saw, as I crested a hill, a very extremely bright light. 37 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Could you compare it to a landing light? 38 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:45,000 No, I couldn't, because it didn't have the downward beam that I've seen on the landing lights. 39 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 I would say this about it. 40 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,000 The thing that really brought my attention to it was that as I traveled along, 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,000 in general, a light, a starlight, will seem to travel with you. 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 This didn't. This seemed to come at me. 43 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 I got a red light and stopped. 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,000 I kept it in observation while the red light was, let's say, about a minute in the length of time. 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 It takes a light to change. 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,000 In that time, it stopped and it made a transverse movement. 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 I can't tell you on feet or miles, but it did make a transverse movement through the west. 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 I was observing it in the southeast. 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:38,000 When it made its transverse movement, it forwarded again and then took south-south-east to northwest course. 50 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,000 I don't think this could have been the planet Venus, because at 6.20 pm, 51 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,000 according to what I think, Venus would have been in the southwest at that time. 52 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,000 I wouldn't have been able to see it because there's a tree cover at this particular place. 53 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Of course, it was an afterthought. I would fly there again. 54 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 There's a tree cover and I couldn't definitely see that portion of the sky. 55 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000 How high in the sky was this light that you saw? 56 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,000 I say it was 12 o'clock hot. 57 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 From the horizon to the zenith? 58 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,000 From the horizon to the zenith. This was 60 degrees. 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Pretty much overhead then? 60 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Yes, and it passed over my head. I pulled to the side of the road in my face. 61 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,000 I lost it. It went over my head and out of sight. 62 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,000 The light I saw was of a bright brilliance. 63 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000 I'd say 16 or 17 times the brilliance of any planet or star I've ever seen. 64 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:43,000 I would say also that I tried very, very much to look around and see if there were red or green running lights 65 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:49,000 or any of the associated aircraft characteristics, and I couldn't find any. 66 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,000 I didn't hear anything. I was inside the automobile and I didn't think to roll the window down. 67 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I observed the entire thing through the windshield and through the back window. 68 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,000 But I could see it go back over my head in the northwest direction. 69 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 You recall the weather conditions? 70 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Right and clear. 71 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And about how long did this last? How long did you have it? 72 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I had it in observation. Three minutes, four minutes. 73 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Did you see it over the reservoir? 74 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I didn't know. 75 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Did you see any sign of the red beam that was reported? 76 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 I didn't see any. 77 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 What color? Was there any color to it? 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:38,000 No. I can give it a color. If I could give it a color, I'd say brilliant blue-white. 79 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Similar to the ignition of a magnesium and pure oxygen. 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Really bright light. 81 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Did it travel very fast? 82 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:00,000 No, I didn't notice it travel. It traveled a little better than the speed of an aircraft. 83 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 I figure those things are relative. 84 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:10,000 I believe I started to think much higher than the people in Wanakiu. 85 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I think it was at a greater height. 86 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Now while you were watching it, what thoughts went through your mind as to what it might have been? 87 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,000 I thought it was a helicopter with a bright strobe light. 88 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Which is one of the things I told the Air Force that I thought it was. 89 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 I think they mouthed it back. 90 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:35,000 I'd like to explain things. We have the telephone calls coming in. 91 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I tried to think of what I could tell people this was. 92 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I couldn't come up with an answer. 93 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,000 When I got to work, I decided I wouldn't say anything about it to anybody. 94 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Then we started getting telephone calls. 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,000 I tried to explain to a woman what it was, but I couldn't. 96 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Then I got in contact with one of our police departments who handled the radio network for the entire area. 97 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 I spoke with officer Severin. 98 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,000 I told officer Severin we had a number of calls and he indicated that they had a number of calls. 99 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 What time was this? 100 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 This was in the area of 7.15 or 7.30. 101 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,000 I got it in Patterson at 20 minutes of 7. 102 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,000 At about 7.15 or 7.30 the thing was starting to shake up that other people were making the same. 103 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 All through the night we got telephone calls. 104 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Then I heard that Mayor Wolf of Guantanamo had seen it. 105 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,000 I called Harry, friend of mine, and we discussed it. 106 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Much of what we saw was the same thing. 107 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Incidentally, the course of North-North-West from the corner of Colfax Road 108 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,000 and Hamburg Turnpike leads directly to Raymond Vann. 109 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 I didn't know it before, but I put a map down this morning and drew a line, which is very inaccurate, but it does. 110 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:08,000 We got a lot of current calls and I must admit that a lot of people saw airplanes that night. 111 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 I can identify them as airplanes, people who saw red and green blinking lights 112 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 and the associated things that we associate with air. 113 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Anything I saw with any aircraft I've ever seen. 114 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,000 You know what time this story hit the radio? 115 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 What time it hit radio? 116 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:34,000 When I called WJRZ radio stations to find out if their helicopter was in the air, 117 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,000 they already knew about it. They had already had telephone calls. 118 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I called them 7.05, something like that, in the area at 7 o'clock. 119 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:53,000 I had seen the thing and I was interested, but I want to know what it is. 120 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:00,000 I'm trying to get some idea of when the story might have gone out, it was a radio to alert people. 121 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:06,000 I think he said that they were interested in it at that point, but I don't think they had broadcasted it. 122 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,000 I think they made their initial broadcast on radio sometime around 7.30, in their 7.30 newscast. 123 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Had you gotten crank calls prior to that? 124 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,000 We had calls prior to that, but we didn't have the crank calls until we were on radio, actually. 125 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 That got the people excited. 126 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Mayor, do you want to give us a rundown on your experience at 7.30? 127 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Yes, I'll give you a little background on Tuesday evening, I guess that's what we were 11 talking about. 128 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:47,000 I was scheduled to leave early dinner, which we naturally did. 129 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:56,000 With Councilman Barton and Councilman Warren-Hagstrom, 130 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:05,000 I was ready and supposed to be picked up approximately about 5.27 after a little delay in seeing they weren't being picked up. 131 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 This was probably just a little after 7. 132 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:15,000 I made a call to Councilman Barton's house and his wife told me she's not your hero. 133 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:25,000 I was on the news on the radio and of course she was referring to the police radio, which I report from the Warranty Reservoir Police. 134 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Apparently, the Warranty Reservoir Police, that he was seeing something there. 135 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Well, just a couple of minutes later, Councilman Barton and Councilman Hagstrom came by. 136 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Instead of going down to dinner, we went up to the Reservoir itself. 137 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:59,000 My son, Billy, went along with us and stopped at the Reservoir Police car that was on duty there. 138 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:06,000 About that time, a little bit of patrolman's sysco of our Warranty Police. 139 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:18,000 We went into what they call a daily track, which is the east of the Warranty Reservoir to see if we could see anything. 140 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 The patrolman's sysco had seen something before, previous then. 141 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 This was a few minutes ago. 142 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,000 I was talking about maybe 5 minutes there, 7, 10 minutes there, 7, or something of this nature. 143 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:37,000 And we went out over there into the field, which is maybe a quarter of a mile, at least a 1 or 2 Reservoir. 144 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And what down there is pretty dark in there. 145 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,000 We thought maybe we could see something down there. 146 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Well, I couldn't see anything. 147 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 I don't think anybody else saw anything. 148 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:51,000 So we come back through to the Reservoir and went up on top of the Reservoir and went down there itself. 149 00:11:51,000 --> 00:12:06,000 And we went up to the top of the dam there. 150 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:14,000 And it was myself, Councilor Clark, Councilor Hankstrom, a couple of sysco, and my son Billy. 151 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:23,000 And we were up there, and of course we were in the normally direction of the car, which was facing the normally direction. 152 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Over towards the Stone Town area, which I'd say is probably northwest direction, 153 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:52,000 what seemed to be low to the horizon was something that looked like a star, a little bit bigger, I would say probably a little bit brighter. 154 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:59,000 So I viewed it, and I think everyone else did, for about 3-4-5 minutes there. 155 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:05,000 And it seemed to stay in one place now. 156 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:22,000 There was a couple of brilliant syscoes, right at the start, I don't think it was as blue as the start, I would say, or something. 157 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:37,000 But it did at times seem to emit the reddish water, pale green lights, or yellowish ones, not all at the same time, at different points. 158 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:45,000 In other words, when I remember we were taking down, of course the first thing I would think of was a helicopter or anything else, 159 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:52,000 but standing and standing there was a spot for about 3-4-5 minutes, or a few of the companies wanted to met. 160 00:13:52,000 --> 00:14:03,000 And then it seemed to move over just in a straight direction, either away, or what appeared to be not coming back, but out further, 161 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:09,000 but probably going towards the south, or the southwest, or something like that. 162 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:23,000 About that time, we turned the car around, and we of course come down, and we enjoyed it more about that, basically. 163 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:34,000 I saw according to reports that the helicopter was moving up and down too, but I didn't see it moving up and down, but I was just sideways, I would say. 164 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Did it move steadily? 165 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Yes, it appeared to move steadily, and as I say, it was very close to the horizon, up to the top level. 166 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 What was the total time you saw? 167 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 All I'd say was about 10 minutes altogether. 168 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 How much of a sky did it cross? 169 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Not a very great distance, in an area, left to a certain area, depending on how far it was out of support. 170 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,000 From what coppers direction to what coppers direction? 171 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Well, we were pointing north, and we were going back towards the south, and we were pointing north, and this was a tech class, or a math class, and when we come back to Ada class, it's a pretty tech nation. 172 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 And how did it disappear? 173 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I don't believe that it disappeared when we had the lessons. 174 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,000 I think it was still visible, and you laughed at it, and I would entirely believe some of this. 175 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,000 I would say my man, this emitted a red beam, do you know exactly how it was activated? 176 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,000 I would say it was a light green light. 177 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Did it seem to emit it, shoot it onto the ice of reservoir? 178 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 We were safe from the north, and of course... 179 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Let me make this clear. 180 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:10,000 When I saw it was a little bigger than a star, a lot of weight, depending on the size, or a mile away, or 10 to 15 miles away, or 10 billion miles away. 181 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 I wouldn't know. 182 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Yeah, I would have judged it, but that's basically what I say. 183 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:26,000 It wasn't any shooting, any rays of light, any place, or anything like that, just looked like there was light to it. 184 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:37,000 When the lights were there, did the main part retain its original color, and have other lights in addition, or did the whole thing change color? 185 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Well, I think that it was changed, and it seemed to change fairly quickly, and it comes back to its normal color, if that's what it was. 186 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 At any time, did it make any very rapid or abrupt motion? 187 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 No, it didn't seem to me. 188 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Did it move in a way similar to an airplane? 189 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Yes, I would say it did. 190 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Of course, it still did, for like 3-4-5 minutes or longer. 191 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:24,000 I would have discounted an airplane just for that, and of course the helicopter, and whatever I could discount that, but I doubt if the helicopter would stay in the position. 192 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Was there any sound from this? 193 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Well, as I said, no sound as far as I was concerned. 194 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 You were outside or in the whole car? 195 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Well, I would come out of the car, and I would come back in the car. It was really cold that night, about 15 degrees up there, so... 196 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 When you were outside, you couldn't hear anything? 197 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 No, no, perhaps. 198 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,000 I don't know about these holes in the ice. I really think that the reservoirs also pay a lot of holes in the ice. 199 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Well, we had two of these. 200 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:05,000 A company that we received stated that, with the saw, the algae he met a red beam which caught a hole in the ice, but we just wanted to... 201 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Some of the reservoir fellows told me they had a thing that... 202 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:21,000 I admit, a white thing, about 9 feet in diameter on the ice, and I don't know whether it was George or who, as to observe that, but somebody thought... 203 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,000 We have an additional member of the gathering here. Do you want to identify yourself? 204 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 I'm a counselor in the hospital with a heart. 205 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000 And you were with the mayor Tuesday nights? 206 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Yes, we were all sleeping together. 207 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Do you want to describe for us what you saw? 208 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Well, I don't think what I saw was too very dramatic. It certainly isn't. 209 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:50,000 The same as what's been described in the newspapers, what others have seen. 210 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,000 I mean, what I saw appeared to be a star. 211 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:05,000 And the only thing, the only fact of that made me think that it was anything at all I usual about was the fact that it was very low on the horizon, 212 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:12,000 in a position which appeared to be lower than what I would normally expect a star to be in. 213 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:22,000 And also, it appeared to be changing colors, but this could have been due to the fact that we're listening to the police radio at the time, 214 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:29,000 and the police radio was talking about people calling in and saying that this was changing colors, 215 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:35,000 and playing with the seat in my mind, which perhaps could have made me think that it was actually changing colors, 216 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 when it may not have been. How did it appear to change color? 217 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Well, as I say, as you looked at it, why, you looked at it and think it was white, 218 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:57,000 and then you would look again and it appeared to be green, and even to a degree at times red. 219 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Yet there was no dramatic change, where you could specifically state that it changed white to red, 220 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:13,000 or like a very light. Yes, no, it wasn't, it wasn't. And yet, and again I don't know whether this was provoked by the fact that 221 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:21,000 the thought was clearly in my mind by the police radio, or whether I was actually singing this, 222 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:28,000 but I think if you look at a star or anything more, and you can almost see what you want to do in that star. 223 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:39,000 And as I say, I could never, from what I saw, I could never go over the pinnage of it expressed by other people. 224 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:46,000 This man, I couldn't say it's two feet in diameter, certainly wasn't what I saw. 225 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:55,000 It certainly wasn't close what I saw, and yet it could have been ten miles or ten million miles away. 226 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:04,000 I mean, this point I couldn't say. I mean, I wish I had seen these things with some other people. 227 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:13,000 I would have found it intensely interesting, but I guess we looked at it for maybe half an hour or so. 228 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:30,000 It didn't move, I mean, it didn't move during the numbers, it wasn't moving, it was moving away from us in a straight line. 229 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,000 So, it was clear to me to be stationed, or clear to me to move over to one side. 230 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,000 When I said side, it went to the west or southwest, or something like that. 231 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Well, I'm not sure the movement was so slight that it always... 232 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:53,000 I couldn't say that I thought that it moved at all, but it didn't move. 233 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,000 I would have thought that it moved away from us in a straight line, away from us. 234 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 The degree of movement would not be noticeable. 235 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 You say it was low on the horizon, that's one thing I thought about. 236 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,000 This was the only thing that crossed the line, and made me think it was not far. 237 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,000 It was the position that seemed to occupy and arise. 238 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 And if it were... 239 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Let me say this, it was a great distance away in the position that it occupied on the horizon. 240 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:32,000 I would have thought that it would have been concealed by the ground, which would make it clear to me that it was 241 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,000 somewhat closer than I normally would expect to start. 242 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Did you see it against the background of anything? 243 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Just really the sky was not against the background. 244 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000 It wasn't in front of anything? 245 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 No. 246 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 No mountains? 247 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:56,000 No, nothing that you could distinguish and get it sighted and get an idea of the distance. 248 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 At least I didn't see it. 249 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:12,000 But I had told these other stories, I talked to other people who thought the same way. 250 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:19,000 At least it was something very close, but I didn't see it. 251 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000 This is a control, and this is a control, and this is a control. 252 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,000 This is a control. 253 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Joe, from the physical... 254 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,000 Yeah, I was talking to you there. 255 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000 You want to tell us here what it was you saw? 256 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 And first of all, when? 257 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 First of all, I can't say what it was. 258 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 What is it? 259 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 First of all, it was a normally colored light. 260 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 This was the 11th, Tuesday? 261 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Okay. 262 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000 About what time? 263 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Somewhere around 6.45, 6.50 pm. 264 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Well, this Tuesday was Thursday. 265 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Tuesday? 266 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Tuesday, a lot. 267 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Oh, Tuesday, a lot. 268 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Okay, I thought you said that. 269 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000 It's not Thursday. 270 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 And where were you at the time? 271 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 I was in San Co. here in town. 272 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 It's just half a mile from here. 273 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Where is it in relation to the dam? 274 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 It's the Duvish Dam, Raymond Dam. 275 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 Okay, and what direction were you looking? 276 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000 First I was looking south, southeast over Ponte, 277 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,000 and that's where the original report came from. 278 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Then, say, in the air, the radio dispatch 279 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,000 said you received two balls from our town. 280 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 And that's when I made this turn 281 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,000 to the Duvish Dam with the backup over the dam. 282 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Made this site. 283 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000 And what did you see? 284 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,000 This bright light, the bearded, multi-colored, 285 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000 you stopped and looked at it. 286 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 I'd heard about 10 minutes, I would assume. 287 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 I'd have checked in the watch and closed it. 288 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 It's about 10 minutes, 15 minutes. 289 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000 What did it do? 290 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,000 It did stay in its one spot. 291 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 It's been a little bit of a stay in one spot. 292 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000 It was changing your variation of the color of the light. 293 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000 How did it vary from light color to color? 294 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 It was just right away. 295 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 And it went away all the way, 296 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 like it was similar to what it can't look in a camera. 297 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 It's right at this point. 298 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000 And there's a slight amount of red in it. 299 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 About that time I got the radio call 300 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,000 at the Marin Council and Bartender and the rest of them. 301 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Oh, no, we're in the Ponte. 302 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 The ration dam. 303 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 Were you never anyone who saw it 304 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 maneuvering all the reservoir? 305 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000 No, I've heard reports of it. 306 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000 That's all I know as far as I can see. 307 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000 As far as confirmation, I think. 308 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 You didn't see it was all the... 309 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000 It was here, say, as far as I can see. 310 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 It wasn't moving at all when you watched it? 311 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 No, it was steady. 312 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 It was on the first sight and I had on. 313 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Okay, now, how did it disappear? 314 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 As far as I know, it went out of sight in the northwest 315 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 when I was looking at it. 316 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I couldn't see it for sure. 317 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000 I was driving the police car in front of me 318 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 and if you could up on top of that ration dam, it's quite narrow. 319 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Was there anything that it would one time 320 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000 and then it disappeared later? 321 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Did you check that? 322 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000 It was very close. 323 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 I checked the following night 324 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000 just for my own satisfaction 325 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000 to make sure I wasn't looking to start. 326 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 I couldn't see anything. 327 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 You checked again that same night? 328 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Later on that same night when I was back up in the air 329 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 and didn't see anything. 330 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000 How many of your parents are Venus and Jupiter 331 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 and Venus, guy and playtime? 332 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 I know, I had Venus, playtime in the southwest 333 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 and Jupiter at that time, I would be back over the east. 334 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000 How did it quite just compare with Venus 335 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 when it was really bright? 336 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000 I would say it was brighter. 337 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,000 I mean, as much as I know about it, which is a good amount. 338 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000 This was your first time. 339 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Did you see the man? 340 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 When? 341 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Approximately, 2.20, 2.30 am once in the morning. 342 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000 That's January 12th. 343 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000 You want to describe that where you were at all times? 344 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,000 I was on the bed for an hour or so before that 345 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 and I had a police radio on the house of Sonnel at that time 346 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000 and I heard the conversation 347 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,000 before to the car that this object hadn't seen over a while ago 348 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000 and it was just a matter of minutes that our car picked up 349 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000 and he said that he saw it over during life 350 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 which was a big sudden end of the world. 351 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000 And when he said this, I got out of bed, 352 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000 I was in my boat a little bit. 353 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 And with that I went into the night and see this object traveling 354 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 in the northern direction. 355 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 It was moving this time? 356 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000 It was moving. 357 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Did you look back at the object you did the first time? 358 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 At this time it seemed to be much better. 359 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,000 The first time? 360 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Color similar? 361 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 I was just a real great waker. 362 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 How fast did it seem to be going? 363 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 It was miles per hour. 364 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,000 I haven't seen the echo through satellites going over 365 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,000 and it appeared to me to move faster than they had. 366 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 And how long did you watch it? 367 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000 As I stood up to the point and I was looking 368 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 at this from somewhere around 415, 369 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 I finally decided to go to bed. 370 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000 And I was still in the same spot. 371 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Then it wasn't moving? 372 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000 It was moving. 373 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 No, it was moving sideways. 374 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000 It was moving sideways, but I was sorry. 375 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000 As I said, I got up and saw it coming north. 376 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000 So I got back over the reservoir which would be 377 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000 a western direction from where I live. 378 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 And I stopped. 379 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000 That's where it worked. 380 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 You saw the stop? 381 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000 How long did it hover over the reservoir? 382 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000 I was on the 220 until I was 410, 415, 383 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000 somewhere around there when I finally decided to go to bed. 384 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Who started it originally early in the morning? 385 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Who put the first call in? 386 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000 It was New Jersey press, whoever that is. 387 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000 However, it might be able to answer that one. 388 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000 I remember a white bump that was there. 389 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 I know the fellow's name. 390 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 His first name is George. 391 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000 What happened though, I can tell you what happened though. 392 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 I was in touch with the North Halden police. 393 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Actually North Halden got a sighting. 394 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000 The White House got a sighting. 395 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000 North Halden got from a woman who got up 396 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000 and looked out the window and saw it. 397 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,000 And then the North Halden policeman, I believe, 398 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,000 this is here sighting, also got a sighting. 399 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000 And at that time, it was fouling again in that 400 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Northwest direction over North Halden. 401 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000 And you say North Halden and White House were very closely related. 402 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,000 And the North Halden police, as I got the message, 403 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000 saw it on a high mountain road, 404 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000 which is on the border of North Halden and Franklin Lake. 405 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 And this was about the same time, I believe, 406 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 if you checked their record, I guess, 407 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Patterson dispatches for them, I don't know, dispatches. 408 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000 But they got to call somewhere around 2 o'clock. 409 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Was there a foot-dike when you walked in the time? 410 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 No, it was on the second sighting. 411 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Now, he got used to the road. 412 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000 And I don't know whether he would like to be used to the road. 413 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000 He saw it the first time. 414 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Could you give us some names of any of the witnesses 415 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,000 who, I suppose we saw, they read Light, 416 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 or the White Light or what it was? 417 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000 The stories we picked up in the papers 418 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000 have been even more dramatic. 419 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000 We were trying to get to a very certain point. 420 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000 But Jerry Stigman had the dramatic angle of the two-foot thing. 421 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,000 You want to get exactly how accurate the first reports were? 422 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000 We had numerous calls on it. 423 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 As far as this thing being cited, 424 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,000 back and forth, I believe we had 11, just before our area alone. 425 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 In what period? 426 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Within an hour and ten minutes. 427 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 This was the first sighting. 428 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 This was through our attention to the morning. 429 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000 At first it sounded like there was some nonsense going on. 430 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,000 At the same time, Fawpton had this swan set up going down here. 431 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000 And you were swan down here. 432 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000 And they were chasing us around trying to catch you. 433 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 We just thought the pause was what it was. 434 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000 It was the continuation of the swans. 435 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 What was the nature of the reports people were calling in? 436 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Were they similar to what you had seen? 437 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000 No, they saw something going on in the town. 438 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000 It was a tremendously bright light. 439 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,000 I want to say, I didn't call Faw. 440 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,000 No, I didn't call anyone until I found out that Joe had seen it. 441 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 I put a lot of credence in the guy. 442 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000 He's a friend of mine, has been for quite a number of years. 443 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000 He's a level-headed police officer. 444 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,000 We are driven out of our minds in our business police. 445 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000 And those are by Nutty Calls. 446 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000 So when Joe said he had seen it, when Harry said he had seen it, 447 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000 I pursued it much further. 448 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000 I went into the McGuire angle in the Soviet Air Force base. 449 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,000 I had a report, and I don't know what it means. 450 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000 It's from McGuire, off the record. 451 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 He wouldn't give it to me for the record, 452 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,000 and of course, he don't quote federal agencies when they don't want to be. 453 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,000 That he had alerted some kind of a control group they have around here. 454 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 I don't know what it is. 455 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 And that they got a visual sighting of something in this area. 456 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,000 And whoever got the visual sighting, whoever the non-comer officer was, 457 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 would not confirm it as an aircraft. 458 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000 And they couldn't get a radar sighting. 459 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Well, that was also by his jet angle. 460 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000 I mean, after we found out that the stirrer was supposedly going to send jets out, 461 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,000 there was no jets seen over the reservoir itself. 462 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,000 But at the same time, when we lost sight of the subject up here, 463 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 we were sighted down over Wayne Township, 464 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,000 where I would say within a box in two minutes, 465 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000 after we had pulled off the dam up here, 466 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000 and right in the back of this, 467 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,000 and that reports that five jets were seen going down across the back of Richard, 468 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 which would tie this in as far as their carbon is thinking Wayne Township. 469 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Being up in here, they had a lot of better sighting in the week, 470 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:20,000 or a pat instead of coming over the reservoir, they went right directly south after this. 471 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Now, I have a speculation. 472 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,000 They wouldn't confirm or anything, but they had sent here a crime file. 473 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000 They wouldn't, of course, they don't. 474 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000 They never do as part of I know. 475 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,000 And then the jet, the control of the jet was on that real good fuel. 476 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 We want to talk to them too. 477 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Now, excessively, some people took pictures. 478 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Oh. 479 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Yeah. 480 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Do you know what it is? 481 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 A very outdated file on the United States. 482 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 You did? 483 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Which time? 484 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 The late second sighting. 485 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 What kind of camera? 486 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000 The small box camera. 487 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000 The spray gun, the snap of the couple. 488 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 So it won't do anything. 489 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Have you had the film process? 490 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 It should be on the set now. 491 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Do you know of anyone else specifically? 492 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Somebody shot it on the pole, right? 493 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,000 I think it was, I believe, on the reservoir. 494 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 And you got to be heard in a big blur. 495 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:33,000 Wait, it's a new fellow down here. 496 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Sort of a old kind of camera. 497 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000 The last, the last, the member of the report was put on down here. 498 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 You just got a blur though, right? 499 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Where's the Polaroid check? 500 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 You saw the picture yourself. 501 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Oh, with the movie rapidly when he took it? 502 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000 The camera doesn't really have a supposedly stationary. 503 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,000 This was, as I said, the second sighting after this thing stopped. 504 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000 That's when he turned it like a shot. 505 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Also, there's a file there from the early works of Daily News. 506 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000 He also does a lot of work for Sugar Magazine. 507 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:18,000 And for the, yeah, the start of Cisco's early record, he had to break down on that. 508 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000 And that's how he got it. 509 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000 Awesome. 510 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000 A short fellow. 511 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 I don't know what size he's in. 512 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000 I'm not pretty sure. 513 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000 Augie Roberts is a photographer from Sartre. 514 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 He has no connection with Trulia. 515 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,000 And that was not in the last, he had a 100% fake flying saucer picture. 516 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,000 We had a fellow for his, they also, that supposedly he's got fixed, 517 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 he's flying saucer, he's been chasing these things for years. 518 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 He had been rushing from Southernville. 519 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000 And he spent just about the entire night after last night. 520 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,000 I should say he came up around here around 5, 4.30, 5.00, and he was still here. 521 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000 I don't know. 522 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000 What was this you told me yesterday about someone who got a daylight sighting or something? 523 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,000 Right, I had a cold Thursday night, I believe it was, from Manover and Mount Lakes. 524 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,000 He was down on Route 22, just outside of White House. 525 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000 He was down around New York. 526 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,000 He and his daughter were going east on Route 22, so this object going south. 527 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000 You know, it's tremendous right of speed, so it's the wall-shaped thing. 528 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000 And Druckham 20 is not being a jet, there's no way to travel. 529 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Did he describe the shape? 530 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,000 It was long or long and shaped or thin? 531 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,000 I don't know, I don't know. 532 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 You had any estimates? 533 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,000 No, I just said he couldn't do any estimates. 534 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,000 The size of the pieces, the speed on this thing is tremendous. 535 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000 Really moving. 536 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Also, from the time he told me I'd say it was 5 minutes prior, I guess, my wife next to the neighbor 537 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:02,000 and we kind of helped us sort some type of an object up to where that was, I believe. 538 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,000 So I was there. 539 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000 You said it was daytime or night? 540 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000 It was around 12.30, someone did around 12.30. 541 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Can you describe the height? 542 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 They said they saw? 543 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:20,000 No, my wife told me it was a period here, it was something like a towered wall shape. 544 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:26,000 One of these public walls, it was a period of that type of shape, the heart, very shiny. 545 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Did it just be there or did it not let the chain in the same direction or did someone disappear from it? 546 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,000 It would actually be coming from the northwest to the slightly southeast to a fixed point, 547 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 or a two-way point, I should say. 548 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:48,000 And then we went to New South, which as far as I'm concerned, the site of Union, 549 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:57,000 it was probably 5 to 10 minutes later, even 3 to 10 minutes later, which would be the same as that one. 550 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000 Did it travel around Linkland? 551 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Right. 552 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:08,000 And the time involved would just develop right down right on the site, as far as the angle, so forth. 553 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,000 Did your wife say that it was a boomer at all or just, as I said, it came out from the northwest, 554 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,000 going back up towards the east or southeast to a point where it hesitated momentarily 555 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,000 and then went right up to the south again? 556 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000 So it actually would have come down at a right angle. 557 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 I want to make a point of emphasis here. 558 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 I mean, it had nothing to do with the site. 559 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:47,000 And I think Joe was going to go along with what I say, that neither Joe Cisco or I would make a report on anything like this in order to... 560 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:54,000 Other than we saw something that was unusual for the fact of the matter that makes an awful lot of work for both of us. 561 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:04,000 Because the thing is, it traveled my work by the number of phone calls and, of course, other newspapers who call, 562 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,000 new people call, and here I am on Saturday here somewhere. 563 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:16,000 And I have to consider the opinion, and I know maybe I'm not supposed to put an opinion. 564 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:25,000 So what I saw at 6.20 or 6.30 between that time was what Joe saw, 6.45. 565 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:34,000 And if you pinpoint the course and if you people have a map, or it's an Asperm map or what it is, the course is evident. 566 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000 And there were a lot of cranks involved in this. 567 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000 There were a lot of people called up who saw things that were not what we saw. 568 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,000 There were people who got the mass hysteria that always happened with something like this. 569 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,000 The Orson Welles type thing, but there were a lot of pretty steady individuals, including Paul Sevin told me, 570 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:03,000 almost every policeman on patrol that night had reported sightingness. 571 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 They had 40 telephone calls and popped them out at least. 572 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000 This was the first night, Tuesday night. 573 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:17,000 And also not to throw a power while he's going on this, as far as his mapping and the course is so forth. 574 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:26,000 One fellow who was only involved in the job connection was trying to keep some time with triangulation going on this project. 575 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000 And he said it was pretty large as well. 576 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:35,000 It was a report that worked on this, other than it was in his general area here, 577 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:43,000 and then being sent back over Winging again and over the Pompany area, which would keep a pretty narrowing some type of course, 578 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 or definite area. 579 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,000 And it's not a case where these things are far, but it's where you get reports from 50 or 60 miles away. 580 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000 So that flies into that. 581 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,000 The funny part is when I got telephone calls from people, and when I answered McGuire's questions, 582 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000 I wrote their questions down and I asked the same questions to people who called me. 583 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:12,000 And somebody who lived east of what the sighting was would report seeing it to the west. 584 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Someone who lived west of it would report seeing it to the east, so that they were, 585 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000 most of these people reporting seeing the same thing. 586 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,000 There were some ladies who called up with a green and red light, with a little white light in the back, 587 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,000 and I knew it was a jet, or from, I got one call from Fairlawn, 588 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:37,000 and I went on the roof of the news building and I looked over and there was an airliner in the sky with its landing lights on. 589 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Yeah, I spoke with them also. 590 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000 And I know what these things look like. 591 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:47,000 The thing that we reported, the two of us, is the same thing. I don't know what the two of us. 592 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,000 Have you ever seen anything else around here, around a few years past resembling at all? 593 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Never. Nothing as far as I can remember those break-ins. 594 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,000 I've seen myself, we have seen these different colored lights at different times, 595 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:10,000 but that could be written off as a very high binary pattern, and so is the possibility of it. 596 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000 And as I said before, as far as explorers go with this, I've seen numerous times. 597 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000 It's not a hobby really, it's just curiosity. 598 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,000 And I might go here, how are these things going over? 599 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000 I try to make my business the same. 600 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:30,000 I can't emphasize too much that most of us show to watch this guy on the TV, 601 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000 and we watch it for our own protection, because I can say on the telephone, 602 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000 maybe it's all fly 275 out of New York and go to bed. 603 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 Which I don't know. 604 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,000 It does seem a little bit funny, but as Howard says, these things with the news papers, 605 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000 I have to deal with those police officers. 606 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000 It doesn't take too much. 607 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,000 If you're one with two people, just to get shook up and start a real good case of hysteria, 608 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000 don't worry. 609 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,000 And just want to call that one, and I just want to call two or three more, and you have a problem with it. 610 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000 We don't want it, because it could cause big problems, 611 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,000 and that's why I say when we reported it, and we carried it out, 612 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000 there was no foreknowledge between any of us. 613 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000 No prior connection. 614 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,000 No prior connection. 615 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000 I hadn't seen, in fact, I hadn't talked to Joe for about three months, 616 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,000 until I spoke with him that night, and asked him what he had seen. 617 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Now, we've gone through the settings on Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning. 618 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000 I understand there were some then Wednesday evening. 619 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000 That was an awesome foot in there. 620 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000 As far as I'm concerned, the reports were made, I didn't say it, 621 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000 so I put it in front of one way or the other. 622 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Our civil defense director, Donald Spencer, who's in his backyard with Joe Burlidge, 623 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,000 the New York Daily News, who is also Donald Rickens' patrol. 624 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,000 And he said that he had read about this, that there was a hole being built in the ice. 625 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000 This is what brought him out here. 626 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,000 He has studied this quite some time, and he just wants to see what it was. 627 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000 And what they always hear say again, that they were in Spencer's backyard, 628 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,000 is that it also has the same type of site, around 640. 629 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000 When is it next? 630 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,000 I think there are a lot of holes in that ice up there, though. 631 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 Which are normally there. 632 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Right. 633 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,000 The two-leaf holes that they had read this through first were... 634 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,000 I said, we've been 30 years, 35 yards down the intake. 635 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,000 On each side of the intake, one on the side of the intake, one on the opposite side of the intake. 636 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000 Which is normal. 637 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,000 For this time of year, the water being down as well as it is, it's not getting away from it. 638 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000 I mean, I did work down here for four years. 639 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 I saw how the sites would work. 640 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,000 I was told, poor, anything that would not be here, but it doesn't sound a little scruly, but... 641 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000 The other part of it I can't pull. 642 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:05,000 The reflection of the light, I think, or the American fossil, you can bear me out on this one. 643 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Personally, we were up there, reflection from the baby's house. 644 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Yes, and the other part of it, the ability to lose sunlight also. 645 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000 And as far as this reflection on the ice, that's just the double that I would buy on that. 646 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000 There was some reflection. 647 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,000 Lights in some of those, the house lays back over beyond the reservoir, 648 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,000 and they had the excessive number of lights on this night, which is unusual for this house. 649 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,000 And they made a bad company and had the full lights on and so forth, which was sort of like that. 650 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,000 I'm not saying that these fellas didn't say, but I'm saying that we saw when we were up there. 651 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000 Who saw that, Michael? 652 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,000 Uh, Spence Dines, Custodian Diana. 653 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 Spenser was with him. 654 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000 And I think Big Brumman was with him, I'm not sure. 655 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000 There were a lot of people who saw what they wanted, like Arthur said before. 656 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:08,000 There were a lot of people, but there were some most observers who observed that saw the same thing, who saw the right thing. 657 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000 Without mentioning any names or without any discrepancies, 658 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:20,000 but as I have thrown in here, I've known almost double years, and as far as I could have really unsalivated, 659 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,000 I would be a little bit inclined to be disciplined. 660 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,000 That is just my own personal opinion, as far as I don't mention any names. 661 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,000 Is there any connection with this Wednesday night, starting when I come home from work tonight, 662 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:41,000 by my wife and my next door neighbor, Mr. Peele, out in the backyard, 663 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 and they told me they were watching. 664 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,000 And I went back and I did a look at what they were watching. 665 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000 And again, I thought it might be a lie. 666 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000 I mean, from that to that, I looked at the somebody that moved in the sky. 667 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,000 I saw it. 668 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000 They said it had moved in the sky. 669 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Did they watch it in the previous night time? 670 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,000 No, this was my second night. 671 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,000 I saw it in the second. 672 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000 This is why I thought I was an electric plant. 673 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,000 How high up was it? 674 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,000 It was very tall. 675 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000 It was just my sword. 676 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,000 It was just barely over the tree tops and the houses. 677 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,000 So, it was my first time in my backyard. 678 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,000 I mean, but the way the light was, it was, the Easter girl was no. 679 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,000 It was to the west, the proper boots, the west boots. 680 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,000 I was right. 681 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,000 I wasn't too impressed with it. 682 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000 I saw it. 683 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 I thought it was just a way of looking. 684 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000 I haven't even been here this night. 685 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000 But they did tell me. 686 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000 I mean, maybe a second. 687 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000 They had watched it when it was in the sky. 688 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000 And it moved down with this position. 689 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000 How long did you watch it? 690 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,000 Oh, I looked at it for five minutes or so. 691 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,000 And just stayed there? 692 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,000 It was the same spot. 693 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000 Was it still there? 694 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,000 Yes, it was still there. 695 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000 Did you watch anyone? 696 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000 No, no, but then there was shortly they left. 697 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000 I mean, it happened to us all later on. 698 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,000 We came back and said it was gone. 699 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:26,000 I didn't even go out of the love to see it was gone now, but she said it was gone now. 700 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:33,000 And I thought that they would just be in town. 701 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000 This was getting the story. 702 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000 It was putting it away from the night before. 703 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000 But they said they watched it from an aisle. 704 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000 Down to the level of the ice sign. 705 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000 And then they said, 706 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,000 really, my wife makes things so sometimes wintery. 707 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,000 We were there very carefully, looking out the window, looking out the door. 708 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000 I don't know what time that was. 709 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000 I looked, but I couldn't see anything. 710 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000 And of course, we had two bright lights in the house. 711 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000 And we turned the lights off in the house. 712 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000 You couldn't see anything. 713 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000 So, you moved right here and you described it to yourself? 714 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000 Yeah, I had a great step up. 715 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 What did you do? 716 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,000 I went to the nursery and kept an eye out for it. 717 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000 So, you could see it's not just snow this time on the day. 718 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000 So, you moved right along the way. 719 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000 Oh, the bad one? 720 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000 Yeah, a small telescope. 721 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000 And I went and checked with the ground for it. 722 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,000 And this one thing that was west, 723 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000 and it was pretty high in the sky. 724 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000 And I was between the two levels. 725 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000 And you were watching it. 726 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,000 And you could see the movement across. 727 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000 And I moved for years. 728 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000 I guess that was just a huge, you know. 729 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,000 So, we went in and I stopped for a few minutes later. 730 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000 We went back out of the star. 731 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000 And I went up stairs. 732 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,000 You could see it from the upstairs. 733 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,000 And it was just barely over the mountain. 734 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,000 And then the left direction was about 50-50 left. 735 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,000 And then west part of the valley was in search of it. 736 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,000 Oh, man, that's a good one. 737 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000 And this was very bright star. 738 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,000 And then it got the brightest one in the sky. 739 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000 And then there was also a story about the nursery. 740 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000 And we saw something that wasn't very bright. 741 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000 It was more than what we had seen it to read before. 742 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000 But it looked sort of like it was changing color still. 743 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:40,000 So it was heading in sort of the south direction. 744 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,000 And it was traveling pretty quick. 745 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000 It was near two stars. 746 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000 And then all of a sudden it started to move. 747 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,000 And it picked up speed when we came back out of the snow. 748 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000 Have you ever seen a satellite like this? 749 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000 Well, I mean, it did come on, say, about two years ago. 750 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,000 So, three nights in a row, it was just like a couple minutes. 751 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000 And then it was around the background. 752 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,000 And it started to move. 753 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,000 And then it was probably just a few hours before we got to the front of the sun. 754 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000 And then it was just three or two years. 755 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:16,000 Was this thing going as faster or slower than it seemed before? 756 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,000 It started to be slow, right? 757 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,000 Just kept moving away. It got picked up speed. 758 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,000 So, just go back to the first night when you were on the dam with your father. 759 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,000 And you just drive that, you were in a jammed hill, 760 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,000 and it started heading in the north-west direction. 761 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000 It was slow over the map. 762 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,000 And it was sort of toward the sun, the town, and the back of the city. 763 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,000 And the same seemed like it should be changing color. 764 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000 Most of the time it was white. 765 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000 And it was pretty bright. 766 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000 It was a little bit different than what we thought. 767 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,000 And it was a little bit more of a thing to get. 768 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000 Darker and brighter, sometimes to the sea. 769 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000 You know, unless it was really streamlined, it was a little too beneath. 770 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000 We were watching after that time, and it was two years around, 771 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000 because we were only going to turn it into an hour. 772 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000 And then we went across the dam, 773 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000 and just turned around one minute at the end, and came back down the road. 774 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000 We went up down the street, and when we came back, we stopped, 775 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000 and we were sure to be safe, just like a little step in the sky. 776 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000 We weren't sure if we could see it or not, 777 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,000 but that was it. 778 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000 Then it appeared down the wing. 779 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,000 And then we didn't see it down. 780 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000 No, I don't know how long they were watching. 781 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000 Oh, it was about 10 minutes from the end. 782 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000 Now, last night, it was on two. 783 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000 That's Friday night. 784 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000 We were fighting. 785 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000 We peed him, and we were getting there again. 786 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000 We said he'd start and decide, 787 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,000 but the same thing, we were seeing Wednesday night. 788 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000 And it was about the same time. 789 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,000 We didn't see the same camera back, but two friends of mine, 790 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000 and I said, two of them this time, 791 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000 coming back in the same direction. 792 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000 They said that's the same speed. 793 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,000 If we had seen one down in the east, that's the direction. 794 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000 They might be kidding me a little. 795 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000 No, we were all excited about it. 796 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000 How fast did this appear? 797 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000 I don't know about it yet. 798 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000 Well, just as I was about to say the same thing, 799 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000 we didn't know. We didn't keep an eye on it. 800 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000 But it was about a second. 801 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000 Oh, yeah, it wasn't that long ago. 802 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000 It looked like a stationary. 803 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000 But when we came back, the store was closed. 804 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000 How long was it now? 805 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000 We were in the store to say about, 806 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000 I mean, it was in the store. 807 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000 It was about 10 minutes. 808 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000 Except this was while we were in the store. 809 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000 I don't know when it was the night. 810 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,000 How high was it? 811 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000 I don't know. It was about, 812 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000 it was about, you know, 813 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,000 how to explain to our members. 814 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000 So, was it now or where? 815 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000 Yeah, I have to. 816 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000 Maybe before or something like that. 817 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000 I don't know what to be talking about. 818 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,000 But, just when we got back to the first night, 819 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000 on the Tuesday night, 820 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000 a friend in the school animal, 821 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000 he used to trust him. 822 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000 He was over at the school where 823 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000 Jack was, 824 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000 he said that he saw something 825 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000 about two or three inches in diameter. 826 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000 And above this, above, 827 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,000 say, the south, 828 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000 west direction. 829 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000 And he could see it, 830 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,000 hovering around it there. 831 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,000 And he said about seven periods, 832 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000 because he checked the time. 833 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000 And this was a mirror up on the van. 834 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000 This was in the same direction we were looking at. 835 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000 From the van. 836 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000 That's really convincing, isn't it? 837 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000 It's easy to see that it was probably the same thing. 838 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,000 But, he said that he saw a light coming out of the window. 839 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000 Did you see that? 840 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000 Well, see, we, you know, 841 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000 the thing was only about a few different stars. 842 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,000 It looked like it was changing colors. 843 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 And how you see the stars on the barns, 844 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000 and it looks to you like it's half the blue can, 845 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,000 and it's half the red. 846 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000 This thing had a green in the red thing, 847 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 and most of the time it was white. 848 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000 And he could spot both angles. 849 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000 Well, he said that he couldn't see the bottom of it. 850 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,000 And that, really, he just, you know, 851 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,000 he could just see like the black places on it. 852 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,000 Did they put it in flashing and see places? 853 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000 Well, he said that just like, 854 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000 there was a lot of light coming out of the sun. 855 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,000 I don't know. 856 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000 I really, you know, I need to... 857 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000 And that's pretty much what you saw though, 858 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,000 so, you know, see, fine. 859 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000 I'll switch it off.